Music Hall and Over-the-Rhine
Inevitably, I don't have space to use all the comments from readers in articles such as Sunday's story about Music Hall. So I'm putting some of them here. Want to weigh in? Please put your comments below.
Ron Schofield of Clarksville, a senior engineer for GE Aircraft Engines, e-mailed: "I'm a guy, so the safety issue probably doesn't bother me as much as most women. ... I know the safety concern is real with friends, one of whom purchased a ticket to last Friday's concert but then decided not to go. She had even arranged to ride with friends.
I struggle every year with whether I should renew my subscription. The reason is cost, of course, since I have a young family. Last year's prices jumped substantially, and I noticed a smiliar reduction in attendees at the concerts. That's unfortunate since the CSO is a world class organization providing consistently outstanding music. ... I feel bad for those who leave at the intermission. We have a tremendous classical music heritage in the Tristate area that shold be enjoyed by its residents!"
Bill Jobert, who lives in Mason, writes: Frankly, I think (safety) is just one of several reasons why people don't go. Here in the burbs people tend to stay very busy, especially people with kids. ... People will usually take the easiest path when it comes to entertainment and relaxing.
"As often as I read about revitalization efforts in different areas of the city, I would like to see people reinvest in the area around Music Hall. So many of the boarded up buildings could have great character once again as coffee houses, art shops, galleries, and more people would find more reasons to go to that area rather than reasons not to go."
Anonymous male, an engineer, writes: "I sometimes find it sad that you will find a police officer present to direct traffic arriving, and someone at the door of Music Hall. But rarely do I see an officer when I'm leaving after a performance.
"I think there are other factors which have hurt attendance. One is the decline of manufacturing jobs, like at GE. When I worked there, it wasn't hard to find someone else who had been to a concert. Also, I think the advertising campaign is anemic. I only hear ads on WGUC, which is like preaching to the choir. The Concerts in the Park series has fallen off, and I think this generated a lot of interest. After many years, we have a first class Symphony, but I don't think the community really knows this."
Anonymous female, a world traveler, writes: I am squeamish about going to the area around Music Hall. Howver, this does not keep me from attending events there. ... I have had my windshield broken and the car ransacked (downtown) across from the Convention Center in the afternoon. ... I will go to events downtown but I am always a little uneasy and get out asap. This is in contract to Indianapolis which has tons of people downtown at night, and where you usually see very few begging and you do feel safe. It's a shame Cincinnati cannot get its act together. We've got a very successful model 100 miles away. Can't we copy their technique?"
Shirley Ekvall of Wyoming suggests: "I would suggest the police be around the parking garage, too. Maybe more officers should be visible. Could an escort be available if some desire?"
Sergio Baranovsky e-mails: "Crime in OTR is a concern. That said, we do not make concert attendance decisions based on local crime statistics. On the other hand, we always allow ourselves sufficient time to park in the CET/WGUC lot. The $5 fee is well worth our peace of mind.
"Perhaps symphony tickets could include parking as an adiditonal incentive. Some upscale downtown restaurants offer complimentary valet parking to make security conscious patrons feel safer."
Music teacher Kirk MacKenzie says, "I don't avoid events at Music Hall. However, I always keep my eyes pealed walking from my car to Music Hall, as I know of at least one severe mugging of a symphony or ballet patron that I read about in the paper several years ago."
13 Comments:
We retired and moved back to the Cincinnati area two years ago. Twelve years ago when we left the area, was a very convenient and safe venue for high quality entertainment. We were very disapopointed that safety is an issue. We are seniors and feel very vulnerable in the area of the Music Hall. We hope that avenue in another area becomes available.
CSO's declining attendance should surprise no one. They would have every orchestra in the country beating the path to the better mousetrap if they weren't losing attendance. According to a recent WSJ article, virtually every orchestra in the country suffers the same fate, regardless of their venues and venue locations. Most other art forms, opera, ballet, theatres, even broadway series, are maintaining or increasing their attendance. I think most are finding programming, and of course quality, is affecting their patronage. Safety is a concern but having lived in this area now for 35 years, it was always a problem. Music hall needs a redo for patron lounges etc, but downsizing may not be the answer. Opera, Nutcracker, May Festival, and the myriad of other programs booked by CAA seems to draw capacity or near capacity crowds. Programming is the key.
Here's a reality check when it comes to how Music Hall's seating capacity stacks up versus other major U.S. orchestras' venues. It's taken me a while to compile it, but it IS an eye-opener:
Seating Capacities of U.S. Concert Halls (in descending order)
Music Hall, Cincinnati, OH-3,516
Bass Concert Hall, Austin, TX-2,926
Jones Hall, Houston, TX-2,833
Isaac Stern Auditorium, Carnegie Hall, New York, NY-2,804
Louise M. Davies Symphony Hall, San Francisco, CA-2,743
Avery Fisher Hall, Lincoln Center, New York, NY-2,738
Powell Symphony Hall, St. Louis, MO -2,689
Symphony Hall, Boston, MA-2,625
Symphony Hall, Chicago, IL-2,500
Verizon Hall, Kimmel Center for the Performing Arts, Philadelphia, PA- 2,500
Kennedy Center Concert Hall, Washington, D.C.-2,442
Kennedy Center Opera House, Washington, D.C.-2,374
Walt Disney Concert Hall, Los Angeles, CA-2,265
Schuster Performing Arts Center, Dayton, OH-2,155
Severance Hall, Cleveland, OH-2,100
Schermerhorn Symphony Center, Nashville, TN-1,900
In short--while there are other valid issues involved, it seems clear (especially given Cincinnati's size in comparison with much larger cities on the list) that the huge size of the hall IS a big issue. (And isn't it interesting that the LA Phil's new Disney Hall has 1,251 FEWER seats than Music Hall?)
Dear Sandye,
Thanks for submitting this list. Music Hall's seating for symphony has always been in the 3,400-3,417 range when I've checked with them, even though CAA lists it as 3,500. I think some seats may be unusable for concerts. Either way, it's still the biggest hall.
Leaving or downsizing the Music Hall is only part of the problem. Where is the visibility and education from Paavo and old whathisname (is it Monder?)in the suburbs? When did they visit Montgomery or Loveland my long time suburb? They could learn a lot from the opera and Muni when he was here.
I have been going to the Music Hall for more than 30 years and have seen no improvement in the neighbourhood so Paavo should not hold his breath. The city cannot even keep the area and Washington Park clean and free of bottles and litter. Meanwhile we have consistently exciting and exhilerating concerts which are enjoyed by few.
Richard Dyson Loveland
How will changing the size of Music Hall improve the CSO's lot? Are there people who are staying away because of the size of the auditorium? That doesn't seem to hurt the Opera or the Ballet or the May Festival. The issue is, as one other person mentioned, programming. They should reduce their "supply" to increase "demand" for fewer seats, and further motivate people from the suburbs to make the trek by scheduling music and artists that people recognize and want to hear (and even hear again). Fill those up, and you can start adding concerts again.
I think Music Hall is a treasure of Cincinnati, and that more pressure should be placed on the city to clean up the area. What can we do to improve the vitality of the neighborhood and make it a safe place where people will want to develop restaurants, shops, etc.? And what incentives can we give to developers and entrepreneurs. The more presence there is of positive things in the area, the less there will be of the negative. I love Jaarvi's idea to have this be the crown jewel of our city. It would be a shame and a tragedy to lose a treasure such as Music Hall, which will happen if the CSO leaves as the ballet has already done.
I think the CSO should stay in Music Hall. The fat lady is about to sing, don't leave now!
I agree very much with "Sarah," who noted that we should do everything we can to encourage Music Hall to be the "crown jewel" of Cincinnati. Music Hall, inside and out, is one of the most beautiful structures we have in Cincinnati, and it seems to me that too many people have an attitude of wanting to abandon things old in search of things new that they can go to--albeit more safely--in the suburbs. (However, think of how this very attitude could have destroyed the Maisonette, which ended up first destroying itself.)
What would happen to the Music Hall building if the symphony left there and went to a different location? As a community, we have to have an interest in preserving the things that are worth preserving. If people care about Music Hall, then perhaps that great care towards preservation of a place will affect everyone in the community.
I think that the safety concerns in Over-the-Rhine are real. We have a business down there, so we know firsthand how intimidating the danger can be. I have heard from many people, including those who we used to volunteer with at the Drop In Shelter, that the city has pulled out many of its park management folks from the maintenance and care of Washington Park, so that virtually no one is now on hand to clean up trash on a regular basis. How can the city hope for more people to attend the symphony if they themselves won't hire and keep the employees who make the area around it clean and respectable? This issue could go round and round--because if people don't clean up an area, others are afraid to visit it, and those who inhabit the area that is no longer kept up feel no particular interest in cleaning it and respecting it themselves. In many ways, this safety issue seems to me to begin with our city doing something about it first.
I would finally caution those who think moving the arts to a safer (read: suburban) location is the final answer. I would argue that moving the arts out of the downtown would peel away at the unity that the arts have downtown, with the museums, Playhouse in the Park, Music Hall, the Aronoff, and many other theaters and venues within 5 minutes of each other. Regardless of flight to the suburbs by many, I would argue that a city's downtown is still its center and therefore the proper home of its arts.
The CSO should stay in Music Hall. I too love Paavo Jarvi's idea of making Music Hall the Crown Jewel of Cinicnnati. Jaarvi has clarified and sharpenened the challenge that we as a city face. We should rise to the challenge. Whether we Cincinnatians have the creativity and courage to take the situation in which we find ourselves and create from it something great is the question. The seeds and soil are there not only for Music Hall with to be the crown jewel of Cincinnati but for there to be a world class neighborhood around it. There are encouraging signs. there is work going on all over Over The Rhine. For the first time in my memory private money is flowing into the neighborhood.
We have something outstanding here let's grow it!
and solve its problems there.
In Janelle's piece on Sunday, one interviewee stated that downtown is insignificant and immaterial to his family's existence... For all practical purposes, it doesn't exist for him. What a sad, sad, perspective. Truly great cities have a great core. A region that lets its core degenerate invites only mediocrity.
Save Music Hall!
I certainly hope CSO can stay at Music Hall and prosper. If a mainstay leaves, will other lesser known and supported arts and humanities endeavors be soon to follow?
Good music is available all over now, but my sense is we will lose the history, and the intangible unique experience only rich historical sites like Music Hall and downtown in general can provide.
Is it really the CSO if we're at a hall in Mason? (No offense to the 'burbs as my wife and I reside in one).
I see the CSO saga as a symptom of the bigger problem at hand. Until we choose not to avoid, choose not to ignore, and choose not to contribute, can we really complain? Is it any suprise that we can no longer enjoy such a fine privilidge if we're unwilling to get involved?
Should we ask ourselves why we continue to move farther and farther away, and give up the rich history of our downtown?
I hope that one day we can look at the bigger picture and realize that it is ALL of our problem, not just the remaining residents of the city. Until then, I really don't think anyone has the right to complain.
I'm not sure how to solve this thing...it is complex and it is challenging. Perhaps we can start by considering our elected officials and their plans to revive downtown. Maybe I am naive to suggest we can wade through the current political landscape muck. At a minimum, open dialogue is a good start...
Looking to our elected officials for solutions? Please, you amuse me....
Simply, the folks who run the CSO must commit, in no uncertain terms, to staying at Music Hall. This must be a given.
If CSO moves, Music Hall is doomed. Downtown is doomed.
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